Socratic Seminar Topic I: Boys will be Boys

Alex

There’s a boy in the corner humping a basketball and pretending to climax, his face going through a complex series of contortions. It’s lewd in its accuracy and I can’t stand that I won’t be able to get it out of my head now, what this stranger looks like in the most intimate moment. And I hate that he’s going back to do it again, egged on by his friends, who seem to find some high cleverness in the fact that now he’s behaving as if the basketball is performing oral sex on him.

The teachers see him, I know it. Hendricks looks away and shakes her head; the others roll their eyes when she points it out, but no one stops him. His impropriety has thrown a wall of disgusting around him that no one wants to walk through. And so he keeps doing it.

A few bleachers down, a group of freshmen notice and explode in a chorus of giggles. I don’t think it’s funny but I can’t tear my eyes away. I find myself memorizing his face, my brain cataloging his name when I hear it being tossed around by the girls below me. I shake my head to clear it, finally breaking my line of sight as he finishes, as if it’s vital that he get to the end of his pretend sexual encounter with sports equipment.

I wonder what would happen if I went down there, took a ball out of the cage, and pretended to have sex with it. I think people would stop and look. I think the whole gym would come to a standstill and teachers would definitely interfere. There would be discussions (again) about what exactly is wrong with me that I would do such a thing. I would definitely log some more hours in the guidance office.

But boys will be boys, our favorite phrase that excuses so many things, while the only thing we have for the opposite gender is women, said with disdain and punctuated with an eye roll (p. 201-202, The Female of the Species).

    • Remember, take notes on what you agree and/or disagree on. Did you ever come to an agreement? How so? Did you not come to an agreement? Why not?
    • What if a female did this? According to Alex, if it was her, people would have reacted differently, how so?
    • Why is the act, done by a male student, is not found to be funny?
    • What does Alex mean when she states, "But boys will be boys, our favorite phrase that excuses so many things, while the only thing we have for the opposite gender is women, said with disdain and punctuated with an eye roll?"
      Is it possible that women also sexualize men, but others do not confirm that its "girls will be girls"?
      How does stating, "boys will be boys" misinforms and oversimplifies the problem?
    • What effects does patriarchal culture has on both male and female, men and women?
       Overall, what did you learn and take away from your group's discussion?

Article

After discussing the following questions in your group. Please read the following article (a) | article (b). Discuss the article.

POP. Culture:

Watch the video carefully and thoroughly. Listen to the lyrics carefully.

Video | Lyrics

Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, "...Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?" Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? " 'Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands."
What does the wax tears symbolize?
How is the son being suppressed?
Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?
Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?
How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?
Watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?
What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?
Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?

 

Button Poetry Presents: Guante – Ten Responses to the Phrase ‘Man Up’

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What does it mean to be masculine?
Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?
Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?

37 thoughts on “Socratic Seminar Topic I: Boys will be Boys”

  1. 1.) As a man, do things ” MEN” do
    2.) As a man you have things to do, so MAN UP to what you know
    3.) Why would a women ” Women Up ” ? We can handle things better & differently the men, without having to ask more then once.
    4.) Black , because it should defined what they feel like inside

    -Detrianna M

  2. Maura Moreno
    popculture
    English class 4th period
    ms.bryant
    What does it mean to be masculine?
    =To have perserverance within other qualities that plenty of people think women do not not have those certain qualites. The phrase is usually meant for guys because most of them see it as being strong with muscle & things that display only for a man & most definitly not a women.
    why is the phrase ‘man up’ problamatic?\
    =The phrase is problamatic due to the fact that the phrase has to be connected with being talked with sports, muscle, & being mixed with the qualites of being a man. The phrase is not shared with women because we are down graded to having to follow rule or orders from the old times. The people that are sexist agreed with this phrase

  3. ShadiamondWilliams
    5-15-17
    Ms. Bryant
    Period 7
    1.Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    =They are weak, like they think all men and boys are supposed to be tough.
    2.What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
    = Like people are saying you have to act a certain way, and he is tired of people sating you have to act this way.
    3.Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
    =

    1. =Like its causing more problems going to happen
      4. What does the wax tears symbolize?
      =The pain and suffer he is going though
      5.How is the son being suppressed?
      =By being angry, Because he wants to put an end to it
      6.Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?
      = Because boys are trained to act and be a certain way.
      7.Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?
      =Because he don’t agree with what Benny is doing
      8.How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?
      =Because your thinking you suppose to be a certain way and, there trying to overcome the stereotypes of boys.
      9.What does it mean to be masculine?
      = It means to have certain ways that most men have
      10.Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?
      = It is used to offend men
      11. Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
      = Because they feel like women have everything together
      12. Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?
      Because most boys and females like the same color. It should not be cause some boys might like pink or some girls might like blue.

      1. 13. Watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?
        =No , Because the dad has a problem with how the son is acting. He probably saying stop what you are doing.
        14.What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?
        = The pain and the suffer each boy going through
        15.Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?
        = Protection of the hate and stereotypes & because they are a part of each other.

  4. 1.Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    society says that emotional boys/men are gay.
    2.What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
    They are speaking of men and girls having sex, and that that should never change
    3.Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
    It is problematic because
    4.What does the wax tears symbolize?
    The wax tears symbolizes that the pain never goes away, from the criticism.
    5.

  5. Benny-Boys will be boys
    What does the wax tears symbolize?
    It symbolizes his feelings and the pain he has felt for so long.
    2.)By not doing the thing that he loves and not being able to express his self.
    3.) Because in todays society men have to be strong and show no feelings or even cry,

    1. 3.) or even wear the wrong color or they will get the wrong impression about you. An think you are some little baby or little girl.
      4.)Well i think the reason why his dad treated him that way because he’s

      1. 4.) Scared of what might people say. An he doesn’t know how to handle it. But honestly I would been scared too, but I would just accept it and wonder if I’m still going to have grand kids or not. He still could of and should of handled it in a better way, no offense.
        5.) Masculity can be toxic like intimidation when other men intimidate each other with muscles or something and the way i think they got over that was doing . They were in the woods painting and making something their friends.
        6.) I think he would be saying be yourself and don’t be afraid of what others might say or will say.
        7.) I think it symbolize freedom and like weight was lifted.
        8.) To say they are one in the same
        Part 2 video second one
        1.) when two men are being emotional people get the wrong idea and starts to criticize them and more.
        2.) The reason I think the Phase “Man Up” is they leave rest of the human species out of it so saying its only for women.
        4.) I think they use color to sperate the two genders.
        3.)

  6. 1.Society don’t really expect men to cry because we as men suppose to do all the heavy lifting without shedding a tear.
    2.I think the quote means that when in comes to expressing your self people will never understand. And that people are suffering from trying to be like other people. For an example a guy listens t

    1. 2.For an example a guy listen to R&B but his father raises him off hardcore rap music. He listens to artist like meek mill in the car with his dad, but while at home alone he turns on some R Kelly and Janet Jackson. He does this so he won’ t disappoint his dad.
      3.This statement mean to me that they were saying they would take up for each other but beat their selves up for being one of those people.
      4.The wax tears symbolize the dried up tears of boys.
      5.The dude Benny is arguing with his father at home but out in public he acts like a stranger.
      6.

      1. 6.Hes being attacked by his father because he don’t want his son going through the problems he went through. Others would attack him because its on natural for boys to do what girls do.
        7.Mr. Flores is treating Benny the way he is because he want him to start acting more masculine.
        8.Some men that is more manly will judge men that is less manly. Like if a dude wax himself other men would question his manhood and sexuality. And the way they over came this problem is by going out in the woods hang with dudes that have similar problems.
        9.The dad is trying to convince his younger self that this shouldn’t be happening like this. On the other hand the younger self is saying that the son is him all over again.
        10.The flag represent the personalities of the boys that made it.
        11.I think it was proving that the father and the son was more alike than expected.
        12.The word masculine means that you were meant to be like this. It means its natural for men to be men.
        13.I think when some one tell a guy to man up he would be a problem because he would get upset cause his manhood is being questioned.
        14.People never say woman up because they think its common for a woman to get emotional. And people thinks their emotions dominates their personality.
        15.People believes color define personality like blue for boys and pink for girls. I think people shouldn’t be defined by two colors because its not them. Like me for an example my favorite color is gold, that is how I feel and that is what define me.

  7. Bunny Tucker
    Pop culture
    English Class 7th period
    Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional? My answer is that people think that when a boy/Man cries, that he is weak or gay, and when they cry about certain things like a funeral is okay but if they cry about a girl or anything like that people call them weak or stupid for crying about that.

    What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.

  8. Bunny Tucker
    Pop culture
    English Class 7th period
    Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional? My answer is that people think that when a boy/Man cries, that he is weak or gay, and when they cry about certain things like a funeral is okay but if they cry about a girl or anything like that people call them weak or stupid for crying about that.

    1. What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims. By rules i think they were talking about rules to life, for example, boys can touch a girls butt and people wont think nothing about it but when a girl touches a boys butt there is a problem.

      Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.” This statement is problematic because, if a boy gets beat up and he goes back and get some of his friends to beat up the person who beat him up that will be a big problem and everyone would be beefing. that`s why its problematic.

      What does the wax tears symbolize? i think it sybolizes the boy constantly crying and it never stops.

  9. Khrystian Pierce
    5/15/17
    Pop Culture
    Ms.Bryant-7thperiod

    Q=Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    A=They think that boys and men are acting like girls cause their extremely emotional and that they should wipe away their tears and man up; but I think that it okay to cry and let it all out and act different than what your suppose to be.

    1. Khrystian Pierce
      5/16/17
      Pop Culture
      Ms.Bryant-7th period
      Q=What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
      A=I think that the rules they’re talking about is that if your a boy, you have to act like one and never cry about anything expect for funereal and never act like a girl.

      1. Khrystian Pierce
        5/16/17
        Pop Culture
        Ms.Bryant-7th period
        Q=Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
        A=Because boys do weird stuff and when people see that, they just say that boys do stuff like that all the time and when girls do that, they say it disgusting and they shouldn’t do that.
        Q= What does the wax tears symbolize?
        A= They symbolize the pain he went through cause he has female traits with his father punishing him.

  10. Maura Moreno
    5/16/17
    Popculture 4th period
    English class
    -Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
    =A person in general never says women up because if it is said then it is implied by being ordered around & thought delicate, emotional, & weak. We are more free to express our emotions to the world because that is who we are some emotional women with dumb ideas.For example a women might be told to women up when having to do house chores or be ‘raped’ & take it because it is what women are born for is what i can interpret from past cases.
    -Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?
    =I have seen examples of colors defining gender ;like pink for women & blue for guys.I think color should not be used to define gender because of the qualities of color being something bright & neon can represent anybody really just most people dont express it due to the fact that the media makes people think it is shameful.My favorite color is blue ;the main color that represents the male gender & i like to think many of us share a couple qualities but THAT IS WHAT MAKES US HUMAN NOT A WOMEN OR A GUY.!

  11. What does it mean to be masculine?
    having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men especially strength and aggressiveness.
    Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?
    man up means grow up be a man believe in yourself have confidence speak on which you believe in never give up no matter how tough things get.
    Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples. because women are pushed around they are treated differently because of their gender
    Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be? black is defined on which how we feel in the inside

  12. Jamal Jones
    pop culture
    Button poetry 4 pd
    Ms.Bryant
    What does it mean to be masculine?
    it means to have qualities of a man and to be aggressive and strong physically.
    Why is the phrase “man up ” is problematic?
    Its problematic because the phrase is used to shame men that don’t carry a masculine trait.
    Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
    No one says woman up because women aren’t supposed to carry the masculine trait like men do. Woman up is implied in army commercials when they say “if a man can do it so can I”
    Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be? To categorize men and women. IT shouldn’t be because color cant define everyone.

  13. Detrianna Murray
    5/16/17
    Popculture / EDIT
    English Class
    When it says “women up” , I just think of it them saying quit crying because we women just get so emotional , of the little things men do to us or the dumb things we do. Like because we so taking avenge of when it comes to rap or just men period .

  14. Seaira Chavis
    May 16,1017

    1.)What does it mean to be masculine?

    Denoting a gender of nouns and adjectives, conventionally regarded as male.

    2.)Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?

    Because man up shouldn’t just be for man it should be for both genders.”You never hear someone say ‘women up”, the man said.

    3.)Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.

    Because women should already know what to act. Like say if a women was to have kids and the kids act up, they would tell the women to man up because males are seen stronger.

    4.)Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?

    The reason is at birth you either get a blue hat or a pink hat. There is not other color to be chosen. Research shows that the reason blue is being a more decided and stronger color as for pink is more delicate and dainty is prettier for the girl. We should stop using colors because already start off as a stereotype at birth.

    1. Seaira Chavis
      May 17, 2017
      4th period

      1.)Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?

      Society see men that cry either weak or gay. Because they think men should show their feelings.

      2.)What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.

      3.)Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”

      4.)What does the wax tears symbolize?

      Emotion

      5.)How is the son being suppressed?

      6.)Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?

      7.)Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?

      8.)How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?

      9.)Watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?

      10.)What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?

      11.)Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?

  15. Angel Dean
    5/16/17
    Popculture 7pd

    1.) Society says men should not cry and / or be emotional
    What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional? Some people think it’s not good for a boy or man to cry because that makes them weak and not strong and not have feelings about things or people and it’s not fair to them.
    2.) What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse ” Rules, they never change/ And my mind is so abusive from taking shapes?

    1. I think it means that boys want to have rules just like the girls. And that being gay should be legal in the United States.
      3. Why is this statement problemate? how so? why not? ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can/cover for our brothers will we suffer from our own hands. Because boys do things that some girls don’t do. And that they have to protect their brothers from the bad things. And they barley take care of them self

  16. Chasity Hardwell
    7th Period

    Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    —- They think that they shouldn’t do it because it isn’t very manly like. To some crying symbolizes softness and weakness so some boys or men don’t do it because there afraid people or their”friends” will talk about them.

    Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
    —- I think the statement is problematic because it says things that a men or boy’s should do.

    What does the wax tears symbolize?
    —- I think the wax tears represent the tears or hurt he will always feel because of the way society treats him. Indicating that they may not be there forever, but they’ll be there for a while until somebody wipes them away.

    How is the son being suppressed?
    —-He’s

    Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?
    —- He’s being attacked because some people see a very big problem with someone other than females acting feminine or having those traits. In others words they have a problem with men or boys acting like girls and call them gay, just because of the way he walks or talks and acts, he’s gay.

    Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?
    —- I think he does that because he kinda afraid of what others will think of the way he has raised his son and wonder if he’s that way to.

    How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?
    —- Males expect males to be and act a certain way, and when they don’t they talk about them and bully them sometimes until there breaking point. So the video is trying to show and express that its okay to not be how others say you should be.

    Watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?
    —- Yes, I do believe the dad is the younger him. He’s trying to tell himself that he should’ve been as strong as his son is and that it doesn’t matter what others think. As a teenager he was probably in a very similar situation and didn’t know to handle it very well and just did whatever others were doing.

    What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?
    —- It probably represents how they feel regardless to what other people think about them. There expressing there emotions but through painting rather than words.

    Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?
    —- To say that there happy with themselves and there not afraid to show it.

    1. What does it mean to be masculine?
      —- I think being masculine means being strong and having certain qualities that women don’t or shouldn’t have.

      Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?
      —- When people say that it usually means that the other is showing weakness and they say “man up” because men are always suppose to be strong.

      Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
      —- Because people don’t women are as strong just because we show more emotion.

      Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?
      —- Its because people are dumb, but it shouldn’t because color could be used to define a mood.

  17. Jada Wesson
    Popculture
    English class 4th period
    Ms.bryant

    What does it mean to be masculine?
    For an example many people believe guys need to hold in their emotions

    1. Jada Wesson
      Popculture
      English class 4th period
      Ms.bryant

      1) What does it mean to be masculine?
      For an example many people believe guys need to hold in their emotions and if they let them out they are a punk. Punks are considered very weak so boys that do cry are weak.
      2)Why is the phrase “man up” is problematic?
      When you say man up it does not include woman. It’s a problem because it’s like you are saying woman aren’t as tough as man. For an example say a man likes gardening and another man approaches him saying you need to man up. What he is saying is that he’s weak and not a man because he likes flowers and that’s a girl thing.
      3) Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Men think they are stronger than woman. If a woman carry’s an heavy item some men will approach the woman asking her does she needs help why? Because the item she’s carrying looks too heavy for her. Also you always see only men construction workers and never woman because some people think it’s a job for only men. The point is men think woman are weak.
      4)Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?

  18. Au’miya Christian
    5/16/17
    popculture 7th pd
    english
    1.Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional? – People think that if a boy/men cry they are weak , gay, or scary . But if a love one passes away it’s fine for a boy/men to cry , but other than that people will think negative.
    2.What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims. – like men/boys can’t be their selves so they don’t want to show their feelings because what others may think so they suffer from depression and other things. ex; in the song they said ” i’m no longer taking lessons from those who broke before now that i am done confessing the words have left me sore.”
    3.Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.” – I don’t think it’s a problem because that is something you should do. In this society man and boys got to be strong and don’t show feelings around because others will think differently.
    4.What does the wax tears symbolize? – it symbolized the pain that will be there forever.

  19. Keith Harris
    17/05/17
    4 prd
    Masculine is to have qualitites and espeially, stength , and aggessivess.
    Problematic to constituting or presenting or difficulty.
    “Why they don’t say girl will be girls” is because girls is put on a high level then boys because they think more deeply about girls.

    “Why is color use to define their gender” I have not see that before because it does matter what color you are it still does not change their gender.

  20. 1. What does it mean to be masculine?
    Having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, especially strength and aggressiveness.

    2. Why the phrase “man up” is is problematic?
    Because there are many different reasons why to say “man up”

    3. Why is it no one ever says, “woman up?” Instead it is implied. How is it implied? Use examples.
    It is implied because it is rarely said to woman so that why it is not said.

    Why is color used to define gender? Why should or should it not be?
    Because pink is mainly shown to be a female color and blue or other colors represent male colors it shouldn’t be because anyone can like any color and be male or female.

  21. 1. Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional? people would say that it is unexpected because me usually hold their emotions.

  22. Maura Moreno
    English 4th period
    5-18-17
    boys will be boy by Benny
    #Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    =With being a boy you are tought not to cry since you are one day going to be a man & men dont cry so when people have thoughts about others like grown men crying they think dumb things. At that thought some people might think that that certain man is weak.The father are sometimes seen as having no emotions & then the boys are expected to act like their twins.Also it is extremly dumb that society have it as an unspoken rule that men cant cry because a man is a human.
    #What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
    =The rules of the society are put out for the people & media dosen’t forget to remind people of those rules.The boy thinks that what the rules are making him rebel against the rules thinking that they are not fair but that the other adult men dont understand him due to the fact that they have already been molded to the rules of society.For example a boy can cry to his mother & she will console him but when turning to his father for advise on the certain matter ..fathers usually just tell their sons to get over it & stop acting like a female but fathers dont realize that their words are slowing hurting & confusing their young boys minds.
    #Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
    =This statement is problematic because boys keep their friends secrets due to the fact that guys dont betray guys.If boys had the support to be able to stand against the boy will be boys idea then maybe people could start seeing them as just humans.I think they believe they are shaming the boys will be boys if ever put out there that they have emotions.
    #What does the wax tears symbolize?
    =I think the wax tears symbolize that boys can break down; that boys also have emotions &feelings.

  23. Maura Moreno
    5-19-17
    English 4th period
    Boys will be boys
    *How is the son being suppressed?
    =The son is being suppressed because as the manly rules of society apply to him his mother doesnt know how to relate ..so he turns to his father but his father doesnt support this feeling & emotions that to the father only women are suppose to show.If the father supported him he would be feel more understood & loved.
    *Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?
    =He is attacked because in society now in days that means he is gay or something of that sort. Most parents think their sons shame them with those actions that are not normal.The men of now in days are not used to seeing emotional traits in a male gender.
    *Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?
    =Edderson treated his son that way because in his eyes he has =been tought that being any other way is not right . I feel like the father kind of remembers the time in his life when he had the same thoughts as Benny. Then if he treats his son the same way he was treated then Benny will feel alone & misunderstood.
    *How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?
    =If you are being pushed to your limit then maybe something good can come out of rebelling & finally standing up for your self. In the video after the father pushes the son , the sons pushes him back & starts to go with the people who do understand him.
    *Watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?
    =He is most likely telling his younger self that it is not right the things that he is thinking. That he needs to follow the unspoken rules & try to be normal.The father feels so frustrated that his younger self doesn’t understand society as it is & what people will say and/r think if he acted with feminine traits.
    *What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?
    =I think the flag is equality & mistakes. The flag to me personally seems to mean that everyone is the same & that everybody makes mistakes but we are all different in our own special/weird ways & that is fine.
    *Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?
    =I think both the father & the son wrapped the flag around themselves because they understand & are supporting being different.

  24. Attachment  1.docx

    1.Society says men should not cry and/or be emotional. What connotations do some people in society have when both men and boys are emotional?
    That they should not cry because men don’t cry they say only mostly girls cry.
    2.What rules do you think they are speaking of in the first verse, “…Rules, they never change / And my mind is so abusive from taking on the shapes?” Give examples of your answers. Remember, support your claims.
    They are speaking about the relationship of an male and female.
    3.Why is this statement problematic? How so? Why not? ” ‘Cause if boys will be boys, and we do the best that we can / Cover for our brothers while we suffer from our own hands.”
    It is problematic because they say why not help.
    4.What does the wax tears symbolize?
    That it holds the pain that he has.
    5.How is the son being suppressed?
    because he cant express his feeling.
    6.Why is Benny attacked for having feminine traits?
    Because they think that he will become gay.
    7.Why is Edderson Flores (Dad) treating his (Benny) son the way he is?
    He treating him that way to talk to him to understand him.
    8.How masculinity can cause toxicity and what are they trying to do in the video to overcome that?
    They are dancing and moving around.

    9.watch the video carefully; do you believe the Dad is the younger version of the son? Let’s say it is,what do you think the Dad is saying to his younger self?
    to accept the way he because he was just like him at his age.
    10.What does the flag and finger/hand painting represents?
    It represents how they feel and express that way.
    11.Why do you believe both the son and dad wrapped the flag around their bodies at the end?
    to show that the dad accepts the way that his son was.

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